Joke Whole 8:51 Tue Jun 9
TTIP
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YOU won't know what's fucking hit you. Seriously.
And when enough of you wake up and cotton on, it will be well too late.
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Replies - In Chronological Order ( Show Newest Messages First)
Monk~koknee
8:55 Tue Jun 9
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Surely it is every capitalists dream to give sovereignty away to mega-corporation. An all without as much as a whimper.
Yes let's have a referendum about the EU while at the same time signing up for this behind everybody's back.
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Sydney_Iron
9:00 Tue Jun 9
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What?
Whatever it is its gone right over the top of my head!
*looks confused
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Monk~koknee
9:03 Tue Jun 9
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That's the whole idea Sydders. You're not supposed to worry yourself about it.
The equivalent in Asia Pac is TPP I believe.
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Steve Bacons Lenscap
9:04 Tue Jun 9
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The only party who opposed this completely at the last election were the Green Party. No one was fucking listening. Every right-thinking democrat needs to wake up and realise the ramifications of this agreement for the country.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:10 Tue Jun 9
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We're already being screwed by the corporate bureaucracy. TTIP at least levels the playing field to transatlantic trade for all business, or at least that's the point of it.
The problem is the terms being negotiated in such secrecy, which muddies the water and provides opportunity for populistic scaremongering.
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Monk~koknee
9:17 Tue Jun 9
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Is it scoremongering to be worried about secret trade deals being negotiated without any consultation or debate about the consequences?
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Infidel
9:18 Tue Jun 9
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TTIP is an extremely limited, unambitious free trade deal between the EU and the US.
It is not even an ugly cousin of the type of deal we could negotiate on our own. Sadly we don't have the right to negotiate trade deals any more - we have to accept whatever the corrupt bureaucrats in Brussels deliver. We have almost no influence over this process at all.
TTIP also panders to the preference of both the EU and the Obama administration to stitch up markets in ways that favour big corporations over SMEs and start ups. TTIP will have a lot of small print that defines product specs in ways that entrench the advantage of the incumbents. That's the way the French and the Germans like it.
It's also why many free market advocates (like me) are lukewarm about TTIP. It's always a good thing to break down trade barriers but using trade deals to stifle competition is crony capitalism at its worst. Read Atlas Shrugged, it's all in there.
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Hammer and Pickle
9:23 Tue Jun 9
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It is not scaremongering to be worried about the secrecy and the more ambitious the market freedom the better.
It's the political agenda and the narrow interests that are going to cock it up anyway.
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mentor
9:24 Tue Jun 9
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TTIP?
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One Word
9:25 Tue Jun 9
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I thought it was a tip from some stuttering Arse Whole
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Oh dear
9:28 Tue Jun 9
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It's difficult to find anything positive to read on this, and the French and Germans like it....
So you have to presume we are all about to get arse-fucked, and I can't imagine it will be over with quickly more long and drawn out and consequently much more painful
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Hammer and Pickle
11:06 Tue Jun 9
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Well, I strongly suggest you write to your MP about it.
While the politicians believe they can distract you with immigration and Europhobia you can put your mortgage on the eventual deal being 70% in the corporations' interests and the opportunity of a generation will have sailed.
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Big Dave
11:11 Tue Jun 9
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Is this the thing where EU/UK regulation of pharmaceutical and chemical safety gets thrown out of the window in favour of the FDA system?
Effectively replacing "Not allowed until proven safe" with "Allowed until proven not safe".
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,
11:16 Tue Jun 9
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Is this going to allow the skeptics to insist on swathes of our NHS practices being privatised?
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Hammer and Pickle
11:16 Tue Jun 9
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There are risks of that and also intellectual property legislation so worded that the corporations will turn the whole Atlantic basin into their private fief.
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,
11:17 Tue Jun 9
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I meant septics.
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Big Dave
11:24 Tue Jun 9
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This is what I read a few months back.
If true then it does seem a little daft to go for it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html
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Joke Whole
11:25 Tue Jun 9
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It will certainly dictate what the NHS - among other government organisations can and cannot buy.
If your NHS trust has been happily buying and using British made sticking plasters for the last 50 years, and nobody has complained, that alone will no longer be a legal reason for selecting them over another flavour of sticking plaster that just so happens to be US produced, and the government department can be legitimately prosecuted should it continue to do so.
TTIP doesn't just favour big corporations, it favours big US corporations. The US needs to impose such a structure on the rest of the world to make sure it's own people can still live the dream. It'll make PetroDollars seem like nicking the biro from down the post office.
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Big Dave
11:30 Tue Jun 9
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Imagine being hospitalised and having to eat the food.
American cheese :o(
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